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Diablo released
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Aniello Del Sorbo
2008-06-24 10:10:46 UTC
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Diablo has been released guys :)
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Nils Faerber
2008-06-24 10:26:20 UTC
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Post by Aniello Del Sorbo
Diablo has been released guys :)
Details?
Like where? What?

Cheers
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2008-06-24 10:28:05 UTC
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officially?

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:26 AM, Nils Faerber
Post by Nils Faerber
Post by Aniello Del Sorbo
Diablo has been released guys :)
Details?
Like where? What?
Cheers
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Christian Otto Stelter
2008-06-24 10:29:08 UTC
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Post by Nils Faerber
Post by Aniello Del Sorbo
Diablo has been released guys :)
Details?
Like where? What?
http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your_tablet-for_the_last_time.html

;-)

\o/
Quim Gil
2008-06-24 10:30:06 UTC
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Post by Nils Faerber
Post by Aniello Del Sorbo
Diablo has been released guys :)
Details?
Like where? What?
http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your_tablet-for_the_last_time.html

SDK announcement to land soon.
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Matt Emson
2008-06-24 11:21:25 UTC
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Post by Christian Otto Stelter
http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your_tablet-for_the_last_time.html
SDK announcement to land soon
Cool! Downloading this *now* and hoping to avoid the "rush" that
happened last time round ;-)

If only I had my N800 with me today! Luckily, I wrote the MAC address
down just in case of this happening!

Download looking good, 50% done (~200KB/s) :-)

M
James Knott
2008-06-24 14:42:19 UTC
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Post by Matt Emson
Post by Christian Otto Stelter
http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your_tablet-for_the_last_time.html
SDK announcement to land soon
Cool! Downloading this *now* and hoping to avoid the "rush" that
happened last time round ;-)
If only I had my N800 with me today! Luckily, I wrote the MAC address
down just in case of this happening!
???

Why would you need the MAC address?
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Aniello Del Sorbo
2008-06-24 14:52:53 UTC
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Post by James Knott
Post by Matt Emson
Post by Christian Otto Stelter
http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your_tablet-for_the_last_time.html
SDK announcement to land soon
Cool! Downloading this *now* and hoping to avoid the "rush" that
happened last time round ;-)
If only I had my N800 with me today! Luckily, I wrote the MAC address
down just in case of this happening!
???
Why would you need the MAC address?
Because you need to input that in order to be able to download the bin file
that will be flashed onto your tablet.
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Ryan Pavlik
2008-06-24 14:56:51 UTC
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Post by James Knott
Post by Matt Emson
Post by Christian Otto Stelter
http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your_tablet-for_the_last_time.html
SDK announcement to land soon
Cool! Downloading this *now* and hoping to avoid the "rush" that
happened last time round ;-)
If only I had my N800 with me today! Luckily, I wrote the MAC address
down just in case of this happening!
???
Why would you need the MAC address?
To access the download page.
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Dr. Nicholas Shaw
2008-06-29 16:55:05 UTC
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Before I flashed, the first time, to OS2008, I didn't experience any
problems/issues with my N800. However, after going to OS2008 and then going
back to OS2007 I noticed that battery life was extremely short, e.g. I could
leave it for an hour or so and it would be turned off and the battery
drained. When I went to Diablo, battery life was even shorter, e.g. I
unhooked it from wall power and turned the unit off. When I turned it back
on about two hours later, the batter was near empty. My first thought was a
bad battery (that just happened to go bad during OS changes).

But, when I went to Diablo a new set of problems occurred. I still have the
battery issue (until this morning) but when I shut the system down in
preparation for going back to the earlier OS2008 (RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.51-3),
I had to, again, pull the battery out as the system hangs on the white and
blue Nokia splash. When I reinserted the battery, I'm getting a blue screen
with evenly spaced white stripes running from top to bottom. If I press the
power button, the blue screen with stripes (not always with stripes) remains
but I can "hear" the system coming up. Specifically I can hear the "tune"
that is played when the hands display just before the home screen shows.

Is it possible that moving/re-inserting the battery several times has
damaged the N800? I bought it in January 2007 and had no problems until
going to OS2008, and back to OS2007, and back again to OS2008. Since there
are several apps I run that either aren't running on Diablo or have problems
with Diablo, I have to go back but decided to try the earlier OS2008 to see
if I can get everything to work without restoring any OS2007 data (I've
updated other PIMs with all the data and I have moved the password data to
another Linux system).

Sometimes, after putting the battery back in, the screen remains black after
pressing the power button. If I do this several times the system MIGHT come
up. This last time I could hear the OS coming up but the screen is just
black. At some point I can hear the sound of the unit connecting to the
network. Thus, I'm thinking the unit has gone south.
Thanks,

Nick.
Dr. Nicholas Shaw
2008-06-24 13:00:19 UTC
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Does this release fix bug 2637 (memory card recognition issue in OS2008)?
Or would I be the first to try it?

Nick.


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From: maemo-users-***@maemo.org [mailto:maemo-users-***@maemo.org]
On Behalf Of Quim Gil
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 04:30
To: ext Nils Faerber
Cc: maemo-users
Subject: Re: Diablo released
Post by Nils Faerber
Post by Aniello Del Sorbo
Diablo has been released guys :)
Details?
Like where? What?
http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your
_tablet-for_the_last_time.html

SDK announcement to land soon.
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Maemo Software @ Nokia
Andre Klapper
2008-06-24 13:21:53 UTC
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Post by Dr. Nicholas Shaw
Does this release fix bug 2637 (memory card recognition issue in OS2008)?
Or would I be the first to try it?
Please try, I'd say. ;-)
The bug report is not closed as fixed and according to the last comment
it's still not clear how this happens. Bug 3146 *might* be related, but
looks unlikely to me.

andre
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Eero Tamminen
2008-06-24 13:38:22 UTC
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Hi,
Post by Andre Klapper
Post by Dr. Nicholas Shaw
Does this release fix bug 2637 (memory card recognition issue in OS2008)?
Or would I be the first to try it?
Please try, I'd say. ;-)
The bug report is not closed as fixed and according to the last comment
it's still not clear how this happens. Bug 3146 *might* be related, but
looks unlikely to me.
Bug 3146 has happened to only one person and he couldn't reproduce it
with latest Chinook release. I don't think they're related.

- Eero
Eero Tamminen
2008-06-24 13:32:51 UTC
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Hi,
Post by Dr. Nicholas Shaw
Does this release fix bug 2637 (memory card recognition issue in OS2008)?
Or would I be the first to try it?
We haven't been able to reproduce it (and the cards with which it seems
to happen are less common brands/no-brand). There have been some
changes in the memory card handling so there's a remote chance it's
fixed. Please test and comment on the bug! :-)


- Eero
Post by Dr. Nicholas Shaw
Nick.
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Quim Gil
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 04:30
To: ext Nils Faerber
Cc: maemo-users
Subject: Re: Diablo released
Post by Nils Faerber
Post by Aniello Del Sorbo
Diablo has been released guys :)
Details?
Like where? What?
http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your
_tablet-for_the_last_time.html
SDK announcement to land soon.
Dr. Nicholas Shaw
2008-06-24 14:39:35 UTC
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I was afraid you were going to say that... Ok, I'll give it a try and if it
doesn't work, I'll try different memory cards just to be thorough. Yep, I'm
loving life now... :-)

Nick.


-----Original Message-----
From: Eero Tamminen [mailto:***@nokia.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 07:33
To: ext Dr. Nicholas Shaw
Cc: 'Quim Gil'; 'ext Nils Faerber'; 'maemo-users'
Subject: Re: Diablo released

Hi,
Post by Dr. Nicholas Shaw
Does this release fix bug 2637 (memory card recognition issue in OS2008)?
Or would I be the first to try it?
We haven't been able to reproduce it (and the cards with which it seems
to happen are less common brands/no-brand). There have been some
changes in the memory card handling so there's a remote chance it's
fixed. Please test and comment on the bug! :-)


- Eero
Post by Dr. Nicholas Shaw
Nick.
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Quim Gil
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 04:30
To: ext Nils Faerber
Cc: maemo-users
Subject: Re: Diablo released
Post by Nils Faerber
Post by Aniello Del Sorbo
Diablo has been released guys :)
Details?
Like where? What?
http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your
Post by Dr. Nicholas Shaw
_tablet-for_the_last_time.html
SDK announcement to land soon.
Eero Tamminen
2008-06-24 13:56:31 UTC
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Hi,
your question raises the more general question of where is the
documentation for the new features and software faults that are
corrected in this release? I will do some digging to see if I can find it.
For the bugs this is a good starting point:
https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?target_milestone=4.1&resolution=FIXED&resolution=WORKSFORME


Probably the best enhancement is a huge browser performance improvement
for www-pages which use alpha-blended layers. Earlier panning was about
unusable for those *when the page was zoomed*, in Diablo panning works
nearly as fast when zoomed as it works when the page is not zoomed.


- Eero
Marius Gedminas
2008-06-24 16:13:24 UTC
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Post by Eero Tamminen
Probably the best enhancement is a huge browser performance improvement
for www-pages which use alpha-blended layers. Earlier panning was about
unusable for those *when the page was zoomed*, in Diablo panning works
nearly as fast when zoomed as it works when the page is not zoomed.
I noticed this even without zooming. Previously, Google Reader was
nearly unusable with panning (your finger/stylus would move across the
whole pan area before the software noticed you were trying to do
something). Now it's fast. Although now there are some rendering
artifacts from scrolling via panning:
Loading Image...

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Eero Tamminen
2008-06-24 16:18:30 UTC
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Hi,
Post by Marius Gedminas
Post by Eero Tamminen
Probably the best enhancement is a huge browser performance improvement
for www-pages which use alpha-blended layers. Earlier panning was about
unusable for those *when the page was zoomed*, in Diablo panning works
nearly as fast when zoomed as it works when the page is not zoomed.
I noticed this even without zooming. Previously, Google Reader was
nearly unusable with panning (your finger/stylus would move across the
whole pan area before the software noticed you were trying to do
something). Now it's fast. Although now there are some rendering
http://mg.pov.lt/diablo-browser-scrolling-garbage.png
Does it seem to be the same bug as this one:
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3242
?

If not, please create a new one, thanks!


- Eero

(I assume fix to this will be one of the SSU benefits :-))
Aniello Del Sorbo
2008-06-24 16:31:25 UTC
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Done:

https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3287

Marius, can we attach your snapshot to it ?

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Post by Eero Tamminen
Hi,
Post by Marius Gedminas
Post by Eero Tamminen
Probably the best enhancement is a huge browser performance improvement
for www-pages which use alpha-blended layers. Earlier panning was about
unusable for those *when the page was zoomed*, in Diablo panning works
nearly as fast when zoomed as it works when the page is not zoomed.
I noticed this even without zooming. Previously, Google Reader was
nearly unusable with panning (your finger/stylus would move across the
whole pan area before the software noticed you were trying to do
something). Now it's fast. Although now there are some rendering
http://mg.pov.lt/diablo-browser-scrolling-garbage.png
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3242
?
If not, please create a new one, thanks!
- Eero
(I assume fix to this will be one of the SSU benefits :-))
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Gary Baribault
2008-06-24 18:06:06 UTC
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Hi All,

I have flashed Diablo, but when it tries to re-install the applications,
it fails on all GPE applications with missing dependencies:

libsqlite0, flash-and-reboot, initfs-flasher and kernel-diablo-flasher

Anyone else having this fun?

Gary B
Jonathan Markevich
2008-06-24 18:51:39 UTC
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These packages are not completely installed on upgrade... if you can, go to
a root prompt and type apt-get -f install

That should install them and let you proceed.
Post by Gary Baribault
Hi All,
I have flashed Diablo, but when it tries to re-install the applications,
libsqlite0, flash-and-reboot, initfs-flasher and kernel-diablo-flasher
Anyone else having this fun?
Gary B
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Gary Baribault
2008-06-24 19:44:16 UTC
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Hey folks, Jonathan resolved it, the Extras repository by default leaves the Distribution field blank, I added chinook and diable and everything worked fine.

Thanks Jonathan

Gary B
Post by Jonathan Markevich
These packages are not completely installed on upgrade... if you can,
go to a root prompt and type apt-get -f install
That should install them and let you proceed.
Hi All,
I have flashed Diablo, but when it tries to re-install the
applications,
libsqlite0, flash-and-reboot, initfs-flasher and kernel-diablo-flasher
Anyone else having this fun?
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Marius Gedminas
2008-06-24 21:25:51 UTC
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Post by Jonathan Markevich
These packages are not completely installed on upgrade... if you can, go to
a root prompt and type apt-get -f install
What's up with this, does anyone know? Why is it that after a fresh OS
reflash the apt database ends up inconsistent?

~ $ sudo apt-get check
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these.
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
osso-software-version-rx44: Depends: flash-and-reboot (= 3) but it is not installed
Depends: initfs-flasher (= 0.95.16-200823maemo2) but it is not installed
Depends: kernel-diablo-flasher (= 2.6.21-200823maemo3) but it is not installed
E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.

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Marius Vollmer
2008-06-25 14:19:14 UTC
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Post by Marius Gedminas
Post by Jonathan Markevich
These packages are not completely installed on upgrade... if you can, go to
a root prompt and type apt-get -f install
What's up with this, does anyone know? Why is it that after a fresh OS
reflash the apt database ends up inconsistent?
The osso-software-version-rx44 package exists twice: once in your device
and once in the "Nokia System Software Updates" repository. These two
instances of the package have the same version, but different
dependencies (stupid, I know, see below). The
osso-software-version-rx44 in the repository additionally depends on the
three packages that you list in the subject.

Apt-get uses the information from the repository, which results in the
error message you see. Running apt-get -f install will fix it. The
Application manager is not affected by this, it simply ignores the
problem and carries on. After the first OS update, the problem goes
away.

It's a bug of course that the two instances of
osso-software-version-rx44 are not identical. The additional
dependencies in the repository instance are used to (as you might have
guessed :) to control flashing of the kernel and initfs during a OS
update. The osso-software-version-rx44 instance in the flash image does
not need them, and I didn't see the problem with this because I wasn't
thinking. (I don't reflash my devices anymore, so I didn't run into
this problem myself...)

Yep, it's a bit embarassing, but should have no bad consequences other
than having to run "apt-get -f install" once (or disabling the "Nokia
System Software Updates" repository) before you can use apt-get on the
command line.
Marius Gedminas
2008-06-25 14:28:18 UTC
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Post by Marius Vollmer
Post by Marius Gedminas
Post by Jonathan Markevich
These packages are not completely installed on upgrade... if you can, go to
a root prompt and type apt-get -f install
What's up with this, does anyone know? Why is it that after a fresh OS
reflash the apt database ends up inconsistent?
The osso-software-version-rx44 package exists twice: once in your device
and once in the "Nokia System Software Updates" repository. These two
instances of the package have the same version, but different
dependencies (stupid, I know, see below). The
osso-software-version-rx44 in the repository additionally depends on the
three packages that you list in the subject.
Apt-get uses the information from the repository, which results in the
error message you see. Running apt-get -f install will fix it. The
Application manager is not affected by this, it simply ignores the
problem and carries on. After the first OS update, the problem goes
away.
It's a bug of course that the two instances of
osso-software-version-rx44 are not identical. The additional
dependencies in the repository instance are used to (as you might have
guessed :) to control flashing of the kernel and initfs during a OS
update. The osso-software-version-rx44 instance in the flash image does
not need them, and I didn't see the problem with this because I wasn't
thinking. (I don't reflash my devices anymore, so I didn't run into
this problem myself...)
Yep, it's a bit embarassing, but should have no bad consequences other
than having to run "apt-get -f install" once (or disabling the "Nokia
System Software Updates" repository) before you can use apt-get on the
command line.
Thank you for this very clear explanation.

Marius Gedminas
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Dr. Nicholas Shaw
2008-06-24 20:57:25 UTC
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I went to http://www.cobb.uk.net and followed the link then installed - no
problems with GPE calendar, contacts, todo.

Nick.


-----Original Message-----
From: maemo-users-***@maemo.org [mailto:maemo-users-***@maemo.org]
On Behalf Of Gary Baribault
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 12:06
Cc: maemo-***@maemo.org
Subject: GPE applications dont install in Diablo

Hi All,

I have flashed Diablo, but when it tries to re-install the applications,
it fails on all GPE applications with missing dependencies:

libsqlite0, flash-and-reboot, initfs-flasher and kernel-diablo-flasher

Anyone else having this fun?

Gary B
Marius Gedminas
2008-06-24 21:16:28 UTC
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Post by Eero Tamminen
Post by Marius Gedminas
Post by Eero Tamminen
Probably the best enhancement is a huge browser performance improvement
for www-pages which use alpha-blended layers. Earlier panning was about
unusable for those *when the page was zoomed*, in Diablo panning works
nearly as fast when zoomed as it works when the page is not zoomed.
I noticed this even without zooming. Previously, Google Reader was
nearly unusable with panning (your finger/stylus would move across the
whole pan area before the software noticed you were trying to do
something). Now it's fast. Although now there are some rendering
http://mg.pov.lt/diablo-browser-scrolling-garbage.png
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3242
?
No, but it's the same bug as this one:
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3287

Marius Gedminas
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Aniello Del Sorbo
2008-06-24 16:23:28 UTC
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This happens to me too.
Post by Marius Gedminas
Post by Eero Tamminen
Probably the best enhancement is a huge browser performance improvement
for www-pages which use alpha-blended layers. Earlier panning was about
unusable for those *when the page was zoomed*, in Diablo panning works
nearly as fast when zoomed as it works when the page is not zoomed.
I noticed this even without zooming. Previously, Google Reader was
nearly unusable with panning (your finger/stylus would move across the
whole pan area before the software noticed you were trying to do
something). Now it's fast. Although now there are some rendering
http://mg.pov.lt/diablo-browser-scrolling-garbage.png
Marius Gedminas
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2008-06-24 18:50:38 UTC
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James Knott
2008-06-24 14:18:59 UTC
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Post by Aniello Del Sorbo
Diablo has been released guys :)
What was he in for? ;-)
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Aniello Del Sorbo
2008-06-24 14:21:14 UTC
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Post by James Knott
Post by Aniello Del Sorbo
Diablo has been released guys :)
What was he in for? ;-)
Plenty of accusations :)
He behaved like an evil guy.
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Tony Green
2008-06-24 14:44:25 UTC
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Post by Dr. Nicholas Shaw
Subject: Re: Diablo released
A word of warning.

Not all apps have got Diablo repositories set up. I realised this when I
spotted that I couldn't install my own httpd and MySQL apps. I've sorted mine
out but several other apps wouldn't re-install either.

To fix this if you have a similar problem ***
1. Edit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list (make a backup
first!!!)
2. Save the application's install file to disc.
3. In the install file, find the repo URL then find a matching line in the
hildon-application-manager.list file. The difference will be that in
hildon-application-manager.list the line includes "diablo" but in the install
file it will have something different. Change diablo in
hildon-application-manager.list to what's in the install file (usually
mistral)
4. Save hildon-application-manager.list
5. Refresh sources
6. Install the application.
7. Edit the line in hildon-application-manager.list back to what it was for
when the maintainer sets up a diablo repo.

*** Three caveats:
1 Binary-compatibility's been OK for what I'm using, it may not be
guaranteed.
2. There may be an easier way, but this worked for me.
3. You need to do the edit as root
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Dave Sherohman
2008-06-24 15:25:11 UTC
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Post by Aniello Del Sorbo
Diablo has been released guys :)
So... As someone who hasn't been following Diablo, doesn't use a mail
reader on my N800, already has my accounts and service providers set up,
never sees Chinese characters outside of spam, and rarely/never zooms
web pages, is there any reason for me to bother flashing my tablet (for
the last time?) today instead of waiting for Diablo + 1?
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Aniello Del Sorbo
2008-06-24 15:33:21 UTC
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That's a good question.
Generally if you don't need to update... then don't do it.
Theoretically all the applications should work on Diablo without much
modifications.
Many, in fact, do.
But many of them where on the chinook extras repository and they are
still not been moved
to the Diablo's one.

Thus updating to Diablo may give you more troubles.
On the other side, a part from those new features, there are also
plenty of bugfixes that Diablo
carries along.
And some performance improvements.

Anyway, you are the only one that needs to weight the pros and cons of updating.
Then, again alone, decide.

--
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Post by Dave Sherohman
Post by Aniello Del Sorbo
Diablo has been released guys :)
So... As someone who hasn't been following Diablo, doesn't use a mail
reader on my N800, already has my accounts and service providers set up,
never sees Chinese characters outside of spam, and rarely/never zooms
web pages, is there any reason for me to bother flashing my tablet (for
the last time?) today instead of waiting for Diablo + 1?
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Dr. Nicholas Shaw
2008-06-24 20:44:49 UTC
Permalink
I'm guessing the Gnumeric is one of those not yet moved over. I setup the
repository and, nope, doesn't show up.

I still have the memory card problem but am going to try a different card to
see if the problem continues.

Nick.


-----Original Message-----
From: maemo-users-***@maemo.org [mailto:maemo-users-***@maemo.org]
On Behalf Of Aniello Del Sorbo
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 09:33
To: Dave Sherohman; maemo-***@maemo.org
Subject: Re: Diablo released

That's a good question.
Generally if you don't need to update... then don't do it.
Theoretically all the applications should work on Diablo without much
modifications.
Many, in fact, do.
But many of them where on the chinook extras repository and they are
still not been moved
to the Diablo's one.

Thus updating to Diablo may give you more troubles.
On the other side, a part from those new features, there are also
plenty of bugfixes that Diablo
carries along.
And some performance improvements.

Anyway, you are the only one that needs to weight the pros and cons of
updating.
Then, again alone, decide.

--
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Post by Dave Sherohman
Post by Aniello Del Sorbo
Diablo has been released guys :)
So... As someone who hasn't been following Diablo, doesn't use a mail
reader on my N800, already has my accounts and service providers set up,
never sees Chinese characters outside of spam, and rarely/never zooms
web pages, is there any reason for me to bother flashing my tablet (for
the last time?) today instead of waiting for Diablo + 1?
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Dr. Nicholas Shaw
2008-06-25 16:07:28 UTC
Permalink
Background - I have a N800 purchased on 1/8/07.

Ok, I still have the memory card issue but will try using a different memory
card (I tried the 2GB and 128MB). The 2GB never works (neither of them) and
I did reformat one of the 2GB cards on another system - no go. The 128MB
card did work until I performed a restore and rebooted. Since then it
hasn't worked. I'm thinking it may be related to restoring of data (for the
128MB) but I certainly don't want to start all over again adding in my GPE
calendar and contact data or my password safe data. I've tried powering
down and removing the battery without success. I'm guessing another card
won't make a difference but at least I'll have checked. I may have to
re-flash the OS and not restore anything. That will take a long time
writing down passwords, etc. before beginning.

I also noticed that once I install Omweather, if I go into Omweather
settings that the screen goes white, then returns and the notice that the
notice "connecting to network" appears AND neither Omweather OR the Google
search bar show on the home screen - I have to reselect them from "select
applets" pull down menu. I've tried this about a dozen times with the same
results.

When I installed OS2008 before (about a month ago), I also installed
maemo-pan to gain connectivity to the Internet when not in a wireless area.
To connect, I would simply select "Bluetooth-PAN" from "Select Connection."
However, with Diablo, if I go into the control panel and select
"Connections", I can see "Bluetooth-PAN"; however, it never shows up in
"Select Connection." Has anyone been successful using maemo-pan with Diablo?

Lastly, has anyone been able to get gnumeric running on Diablo? If so, I
could use some help! :-)
Thanks,

Nick.
Joshua Layne
2008-06-25 16:13:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dr. Nicholas Shaw
Background - I have a N800 purchased on 1/8/07.
Ok, I still have the memory card issue but will try using a different memory
card (I tried the 2GB and 128MB). The 2GB never works (neither of them) and
I did reformat one of the 2GB cards on another system - no go. The 128MB
card did work until I performed a restore and rebooted. Since then it
hasn't worked. I'm thinking it may be related to restoring of data (for the
128MB) but I certainly don't want to start all over again adding in my GPE
calendar and contact data or my password safe data. I've tried powering
down and removing the battery without success. I'm guessing another card
won't make a difference but at least I'll have checked. I may have to
re-flash the OS and not restore anything. That will take a long time
writing down passwords, etc. before beginning.
I also noticed that once I install Omweather, if I go into Omweather
settings that the screen goes white, then returns and the notice that the
notice "connecting to network" appears AND neither Omweather OR the Google
search bar show on the home screen - I have to reselect them from "select
applets" pull down menu. I've tried this about a dozen times with the same
results.
I can verify this - I haven't gotten to opening a bug yet, but there is
definitely an issue with OMweather on diablo.

I can't help on the other two items, but after leaving it running
overnight - there is a definite memory leak somewhere. Likely in a 3rd
party app, but I haven't entirely tracked it down yet.

josh
Eero Tamminen
2008-06-26 08:26:01 UTC
Permalink
Hi,
Post by Dr. Nicholas Shaw
Background - I have a N800 purchased on 1/8/07.
Ok, I still have the memory card issue but will try using a different memory
card (I tried the 2GB and 128MB). The 2GB never works (neither of them) and
I did reformat one of the 2GB cards on another system - no go.
The 128MB card did work until I performed a restore and rebooted.
Since then it hasn't worked.
I'm thinking it may be related to restoring of data (for the
128MB) but I certainly don't want to start all over again adding in my GPE
calendar and contact data or my password safe data. I've tried powering
down and removing the battery without success. I'm guessing another card
won't make a difference but at least I'll have checked. I may have to
re-flash the OS and not restore anything. That will take a long time
writing down passwords, etc. before beginning.
I think this is related to which cards you have (I understood they
were Qmemory and SimpleTech). There are no problems with well-known
memory card brands (like Kingston or Sandisk which we can buy and
test here...).

So far the issue seems also to be N800 specific. If anybody has
encountered this with N810, I would be interested!
Post by Dr. Nicholas Shaw
I also noticed that once I install Omweather, if I go into Omweather
settings that the screen goes white, then returns and the notice that the
notice "connecting to network" appears AND neither Omweather OR the Google
search bar show on the home screen - I have to reselect them from "select
applets" pull down menu. I've tried this about a dozen times with the same
results.
This means that the Omweather settings has a bug and its crash
brings down also the whole Desktop (applets are in same process
with Desktop to save RAM) and when Desktop is restarted it
(by design) disables all (home) applets as it doesn't know which
one of them caused the crash. Please file a bug against Omweather.
Post by Dr. Nicholas Shaw
When I installed OS2008 before (about a month ago), I also installed
maemo-pan to gain connectivity to the Internet when not in a wireless area.
To connect, I would simply select "Bluetooth-PAN" from "Select Connection."
However, with Diablo, if I go into the control panel and select
"Connections", I can see "Bluetooth-PAN"; however, it never shows up in
"Select Connection." Has anyone been successful using maemo-pan with Diablo?
Lastly, has anyone been able to get gnumeric running on Diablo? If so, I
could use some help! :-)
Thanks,
- Eero
Patrik Flykt
2008-06-26 09:41:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dr. Nicholas Shaw
However, with Diablo, if I go into the control panel and select
"Connections", I can see "Bluetooth-PAN"; however, it never shows up in
"Select Connection." Has anyone been successful using maemo-pan with Diablo?
Is maemo-pan using the dummy network type in order to do its networking
stuff? I'm asking because the good old internet connectivity daemon has
been replaced with a new package, icd2, and that one does not contain
dummy network support by default.

Regards,

Patrik
--
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Martin Grimme
2008-06-27 11:53:25 UTC
Permalink
Hi,

yes, maemo-pan is using the dummy network. I haven't tried maemo-pan
on Diablo yet, though.


Cheers,
Martin
Post by Patrik Flykt
Post by Dr. Nicholas Shaw
However, with Diablo, if I go into the control panel and select
"Connections", I can see "Bluetooth-PAN"; however, it never shows up in
"Select Connection." Has anyone been successful using maemo-pan with Diablo?
Is maemo-pan using the dummy network type in order to do its networking
stuff? I'm asking because the good old internet connectivity daemon has
been replaced with a new package, icd2, and that one does not contain
dummy network support by default.
Regards,
Patrik
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Frantisek Dufka
2008-06-27 12:31:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Martin Grimme
Hi,
yes, maemo-pan is using the dummy network. I haven't tried maemo-pan
on Diablo yet, though.
There was workaround before with seting up fake ad-hoc connection. Maybe
it could be implemented with little tweaking (if current code depends
only on IAP name, not type)?

http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=196503#post196503

Frantisek
Patrik Flykt
2008-06-27 12:52:05 UTC
Permalink
Hi,
Post by Frantisek Dufka
There was workaround before with seting up fake ad-hoc connection. Maybe
it could be implemented with little tweaking (if current code depends
only on IAP name, not type)?
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=196503#post196503
Oh, that setup most likely will still work, I hope.

The idea is to enable the dummy network feature for icd2 and have it
working as before, but unfortunately we discovered a minor bug in the
process. Once that gets resolved, I hope we'll have the same dummy
network functionality as before.

Cheers,

Patrik
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Mike Wright
2008-07-16 16:02:00 UTC
Permalink
Has there been any progress getting the "stock" maemo-pan fixed so that it
works out of the box as it were?

I want to upgrade my N800 to Diablo, but lack of PAN is a show-stopper for
me.
Post by Patrik Flykt
Hi,
Post by Frantisek Dufka
There was workaround before with seting up fake ad-hoc connection. Maybe
it could be implemented with little tweaking (if current code depends
only on IAP name, not type)?
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=196503#post19
6503
Oh, that setup most likely will still work, I hope.
The idea is to enable the dummy network feature for icd2 and have it
working as before, but unfortunately we discovered a minor bug in the
process. Once that gets resolved, I hope we'll have the same dummy network
functionality as before.
Cheers,
Patrik
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Dr. Nicholas Shaw
2008-07-16 17:12:31 UTC
Permalink
Ditto here.

Nick.

-----Original Message-----
From: maemo-users-***@maemo.org [mailto:maemo-users-***@maemo.org] On Behalf Of Mike Wright
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:02
To: Patrik Flykt
Cc: maemo-***@maemo.org; ext Frantisek Dufka
Subject: Re: maemo-pan in Diablo

Has there been any progress getting the "stock" maemo-pan fixed so that it
works out of the box as it were?

I want to upgrade my N800 to Diablo, but lack of PAN is a show-stopper for
me.
Post by Patrik Flykt
Hi,
Post by Frantisek Dufka
There was workaround before with seting up fake ad-hoc connection. Maybe
it could be implemented with little tweaking (if current code depends
only on IAP name, not type)?
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=196503#post19
6503
Oh, that setup most likely will still work, I hope.
The idea is to enable the dummy network feature for icd2 and have it
working as before, but unfortunately we discovered a minor bug in the
process. Once that gets resolved, I hope we'll have the same dummy network
functionality as before.
Cheers,
Patrik
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Mike Wright
2008-08-23 16:29:02 UTC
Permalink
Looks like is fixed!

http://pycage.blogspot.com/2008/08/bluetooth-pan-fixed-for-diablo.html
Post by Dr. Nicholas Shaw
Ditto here.
Nick.
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Mike Wright
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:02
To: Patrik Flykt
Subject: Re: maemo-pan in Diablo
Has there been any progress getting the "stock" maemo-pan fixed so that
it works out of the box as it were?
I want to upgrade my N800 to Diablo, but lack of PAN is a show-stopper
for me.
Post by Patrik Flykt
Hi,
Post by Frantisek Dufka
There was workaround before with seting up fake ad-hoc connection. Maybe
it could be implemented with little tweaking (if current code depends
only on IAP name, not type)?
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=196503#post
19
6503
Oh, that setup most likely will still work, I hope.
The idea is to enable the dummy network feature for icd2 and have it
working as before, but unfortunately we discovered a minor bug in the
process. Once that gets resolved, I hope we'll have the same dummy
network functionality as before.
Cheers,
Patrik
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inode0
2008-06-26 14:50:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dr. Nicholas Shaw
I also noticed that once I install Omweather, if I go into Omweather
settings that the screen goes white, then returns and the notice that the
notice "connecting to network" appears AND neither Omweather OR the Google
search bar show on the home screen - I have to reselect them from "select
applets" pull down menu. I've tried this about a dozen times with the same
results.
I see the same unpleasant omweather behavior. It trashes all the
desktop applets.

The big problem I'm having is with the rss feed reader - none of my
feeds work any longer.

John
David Greaves
2008-06-24 15:36:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dave Sherohman
Post by Aniello Del Sorbo
Diablo has been released guys :)
So... As someone who hasn't been following Diablo, doesn't use a mail
reader on my N800, already has my accounts and service providers set up,
never sees Chinese characters outside of spam, and rarely/never zooms
web pages, is there any reason for me to bother flashing my tablet (for
the last time?) today instead of waiting for Diablo + 1?
but but but

it's the *latest*....

Clearly you're in the wrong community!!

David
PS it's the last flash upgrade - Diablo will now have online upgrades.
PPS No.
Quim Gil
2008-06-24 15:34:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dave Sherohman
is there any reason for me to bother flashing my tablet (for
the last time?) today instead of waiting for Diablo + 1?
Depends on your definition of "Diablo + 1"

If you mean waiting for Diablo maintenance releases, the Seamless
Software Update feature simplifies this a lot: users might get just
package updates, no full release like until now. Since you are still in
Maemo 4.0 you won't get the notifications, though.

If you mean waiting for Fremantle... take a seat. ;)
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Maemo Software @ Nokia
Dave Sherohman
2008-06-24 17:54:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Quim Gil
Post by Dave Sherohman
is there any reason for me to bother flashing my tablet (for
the last time?) today instead of waiting for Diablo + 1?
Depends on your definition of "Diablo + 1"
If you mean waiting for Diablo maintenance releases, the Seamless
Software Update feature simplifies this a lot: users might get just
package updates, no full release like until now. Since you are still in
Maemo 4.0 you won't get the notifications, though.
If you mean waiting for Fremantle... take a seat. ;)
Well, really, I meant "whatever future version includes something I care
about, aside from a no-flash path for future upgrades".

I'll need to flash my N800 again at some point for one more upgrade, but
flashing it today for the sole purpose of not having to flash it when a
new feature gets added tomorrow seems a little silly when I can just
wait until tomorrow and flash it for the last time then. Unless there's
another new feature that matters to me today...
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Joshua Layne
2008-06-24 18:26:18 UTC
Permalink
I don't know if you have an N800 or an N810 - but if N810, then diablo
includes AGPS (I believe, not personally verified) - for me, this alone is
reason enough.

of course, I left my special N810 usb cable at home today (of all days...)

reason to leave early?
j.
Post by Dave Sherohman
Post by Quim Gil
Post by Dave Sherohman
is there any reason for me to bother flashing my tablet (for
the last time?) today instead of waiting for Diablo + 1?
Depends on your definition of "Diablo + 1"
If you mean waiting for Diablo maintenance releases, the Seamless
Software Update feature simplifies this a lot: users might get just
package updates, no full release like until now. Since you are still in
Maemo 4.0 you won't get the notifications, though.
If you mean waiting for Fremantle... take a seat. ;)
Well, really, I meant "whatever future version includes something I care
about, aside from a no-flash path for future upgrades".
I'll need to flash my N800 again at some point for one more upgrade, but
flashing it today for the sole purpose of not having to flash it when a
new feature gets added tomorrow seems a little silly when I can just
wait until tomorrow and flash it for the last time then. Unless there's
another new feature that matters to me today...
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2008-06-24 18:43:28 UTC
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Post by Joshua Layne
I don't know if you have an N800 or an N810 - but if N810, then diablo
includes AGPS (I believe, not personally verified) - for me, this alone is
reason enough.
So assuming that AGPS _is_ included, would that be usable by an N800
with a bluetooth GPS?
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Joshua Layne
2008-06-24 20:53:33 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:43:28 -0500, "GROG! (Jeff Howie)"
Post by GROG! (Jeff Howie)
Post by Joshua Layne
I don't know if you have an N800 or an N810 - but if N810, then diablo
includes AGPS (I believe, not personally verified) - for me, this alone
is
Post by Joshua Layne
reason enough.
So assuming that AGPS _is_ included, would that be usable by an N800
with a bluetooth GPS?
my guess is no - unless the nokia gpsd supports some very non-standard gpsd
features and the BT GPS is in a binary mode, not an NMEA mode.

If it is just spewing NMEA over an RFCOMM port, then I don't think you
would have the required interface to issue AGPS commands (but my knowledge
of AGPS implementations is non-existent and even my theoretical knowledge
is quite limited, so I may be wrong)

rgds,
josh
Andrew Daviel
2008-06-25 08:34:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by GROG! (Jeff Howie)
So assuming that AGPS _is_ included, would that be usable by an N800
with a bluetooth GPS?
I have to agree with Josh.

AFAIK, the AGPS interface to the GPS chip in the N810 is a serial link
using a proprietary TI protocol. AGPS is intended for use in cellphones
so it's unlikely to be implemented in a standalone device.

Hmm, just installed Diablo. No network traffic when starting wayfinder
map - I thought the AGPS patch was going to look for an ephemeris online.

Hmm... as per
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=186839&postcount=641
there's an app agps-ui beta from
http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/pool/diablo/user/a/agps-ui/
It uses supl-daemon to download something from
https://supl.nokia.com:7275

Not sure at this point what effect this has - I'm indoors with too weak
a satellite signal to get a fix. Looks interesting ... certainly agps-ui
lets you choose your estimated position.
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Frederic Crozat
2008-06-25 08:42:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Andrew Daviel
Post by GROG! (Jeff Howie)
So assuming that AGPS _is_ included, would that be usable by an N800
with a bluetooth GPS?
I have to agree with Josh.
AFAIK, the AGPS interface to the GPS chip in the N810 is a serial link
using a proprietary TI protocol. AGPS is intended for use in cellphones
so it's unlikely to be implemented in a standalone device.
Hmm, just installed Diablo. No network traffic when starting wayfinder
map - I thought the AGPS patch was going to look for an ephemeris online.
It is, but you have to enable AGPS and Packet data in agps-ui program,
after installing it..

Moreover, this feature is available for all GPS applications on n810,
not only Maps.
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Brad Midgley
2008-06-26 01:50:40 UTC
Permalink
guys
Post by Frederic Crozat
Post by Andrew Daviel
Post by GROG! (Jeff Howie)
So assuming that AGPS _is_ included, would that be usable by an N800
with a bluetooth GPS?
not without vendor-specific hacking for the specific gps. in other words, no.
Post by Frederic Crozat
Post by Andrew Daviel
Hmm, just installed Diablo. No network traffic when starting wayfinder
map - I thought the AGPS patch was going to look for an ephemeris online.
It is, but you have to enable AGPS and Packet data in agps-ui program,
after installing it..
Moreover, this feature is available for all GPS applications on n810,
not only Maps.
It's possible the agps change downloads ephemeris, but the fact that
it wants a data connection through a cell (wifi isn't good enough)
suggests that it might look to see which gsm towers are around.
--
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Brad Midgley
2008-07-03 21:07:19 UTC
Permalink
guys
Post by Brad Midgley
the fact that
it wants a data connection through a cell (wifi isn't good enough)
suggests that it might look to see which gsm towers are around.
out of curiosity I ran hcidump so I could watch the negotiation with
the cellphone. my n810 does not get cell tower info as it connects to
get agps data, although it would be a cool hack if it did. I don't
think there is a way to do out-of-band AT commands after DUN is
running a full-on connection (so I didn't check)

the only commands it did run were...

AT&F (OK)
AT+GCAP (+GCAP: +FCLASS)
AT+CPAS (ERROR)
AT+CRM=? (ERROR)
AT+CMEE=1 (ERROR)
AT+CGDCONT=1,"ip","wap.cingular"

and so on with the connection.

probably wifi was left out of the agps menu just because it isn't the
norm for connecting while on the go...
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Nils Faerber
2008-06-25 08:47:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Andrew Daviel
Post by GROG! (Jeff Howie)
So assuming that AGPS _is_ included, would that be usable by an N800
with a bluetooth GPS?
I have to agree with Josh.
AFAIK, the AGPS interface to the GPS chip in the N810 is a serial link
using a proprietary TI protocol. AGPS is intended for use in cellphones
so it's unlikely to be implemented in a standalone device.
Well... AGPS (assisted GPS) is intended to shorten the time to first fix
(TTF) by uploading known data like ephimeris data up into the GPS
receiver. The "known data" can also be a precise known time, geographic
region etc. Bascially all data that can be used to help "guessing" your
initial position or help the corelation.
Some cellular networks broadcast position alike information as part of
the cellular infrastructure which can be used to helpthe GPS receiver.
But this is not the only method. There are also IP network based
services by some companies providing initial data, like ublox or Jentro.
Using the ephimeris data from ublox a ublox Antaris 5 receiver can have
a time to first after cold start of less than three seconds! SIRF-III
also supports AGPS (upload of ephimeris) in some configurations.

The "problem" with AGPS is that it does not help much in the offline
state. If you do not get up-to-date information from the network you are
back to the non AGPS time to first fix. Ephimeris data is valid IIRC 28h
so you have to update it every day.
Post by Andrew Daviel
Hmm, just installed Diablo. No network traffic when starting wayfinder
map - I thought the AGPS patch was going to look for an ephemeris online.
Hmm... as per
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=186839&postcount=641
there's an app agps-ui beta from
http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/pool/diablo/user/a/agps-ui/
It uses supl-daemon to download something from
https://supl.nokia.com:7275
Not sure at this point what effect this has - I'm indoors with too weak
a satellite signal to get a fix. Looks interesting ... certainly agps-ui
lets you choose your estimated position.
We already wondered what this GUI is good for ;)
Choosing your region? Oh well...

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Post by Nils Faerber
Using the ephimeris data from ublox a ublox Antaris 5 receiver can have
a time to first after cold start of less than three seconds!
Now that's impressive! (thanks for the info; I stand corrected re. AGPS
in non-cellphone devices..)
Post by Nils Faerber
We already wondered what this GUI is good for ;)
Choosing your region? Oh well...
Fred Pacquier
2008-06-24 18:45:16 UTC
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No one seems to have asked the obligatory, ritual question yet... so I
guess I need to fill in :

Will there be a 2008HE version of Diablo for good old 770 ? :-)

(as someone mentioned, I don't recall whether it was here or on ITT, a
770 with 2008HE, Maemo mapper and a GPS is a great personal navigator
solution - better even than the N8x0, for a number of reasons)
Marius Gedminas
2008-06-24 21:20:58 UTC
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Post by Dave Sherohman
I'll need to flash my N800 again at some point for one more upgrade, but
flashing it today for the sole purpose of not having to flash it when a
new feature gets added tomorrow seems a little silly when I can just
wait until tomorrow and flash it for the last time then. Unless there's
another new feature that matters to me today...
Faster web browser scrolling?

Fix for the irritating Ctrl+D CPU spinning bug in osso-xterm?

Fix for the irritating popup that closes your vkb when you press the
Ctrl toolbar button in osso-xterm?

Somewhat nicer Application Manager user interface?

Hey, is there a wiki page listing the nice things about Diablo?

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Michael Wiktowy
2008-06-25 05:01:17 UTC
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Post by Dave Sherohman
So... As someone who hasn't been following Diablo, doesn't use a mail
reader on my N800, already has my accounts and service providers set up,
never sees Chinese characters outside of spam, and rarely/never zooms
web pages, is there any reason for me to bother flashing my tablet (for
the last time?) today instead of waiting for Diablo + 1?
Visually, the absence of double-taps on the vkb and jerky finger
panning in the browser are both big improvements that I noticed
immediately.

Other than that, you won't notice huge changes.

Whether the seamless updates matter to you when going from major
version to major version, it is certainly better having a more robust
application manager that is capable of such things. I have already
been impressed at how it handled reinstalling my apps after flashing
and failing gracefully on the apps that were missing from diablo
repositories. It is definitely more solid.

Also, while Diablo will run the vast majority of apps built for
Chinook today, the same cannot be said for future apps built for
Diablo running on Chinook since they may require versions of libraries
that got updated in Diablo; particularly those requiring libssl as
security patches may make it into 0.9.8 (diablo) that won't make it
into 0.9.7 (chinook).

You also may have to wait a *long* time for another updated firmware
to come out whereas you probably won't have to wait long for updates
(feature, security and bugfixes) to start trickling through via SSU.

In the end, no one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to
reflash. But in my experience, after making a backup just before
reflashing and letting the first-boot process restore it after, the
reflash was the least painful that I have encountered so far.

/Mike
David Greaves
2008-06-24 15:40:01 UTC
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Post by Aniello Del Sorbo
Diablo has been released guys :)
If you have problems with installing apps from extras, read this:

http://wiki.maemo.org/Installation#Diablo_Extras

David
Quim Gil
2008-06-26 15:12:41 UTC
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Post by David Greaves
Post by Aniello Del Sorbo
Diablo has been released guys :)
http://wiki.maemo.org/Installation#Diablo_Extras
Also this

http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/diablo_extras-why_the_issue_and_how_to_help.html
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Alfredo J. Fabretti
2008-06-24 16:21:26 UTC
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This is the most important part:

"Users still need to reflash the device in order to install this
release. Further OS updates will be made available over-the-air,
without needing to reflash. Now users will get automatic notifications
in the home screen about the availability of OS updates or single
applications, including those installed from third parties."

Well done!
Post by Aniello Del Sorbo
Diablo has been released guys :)
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Jesper Cheetah
2008-06-25 18:41:50 UTC
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Post by Aniello Del Sorbo
Diablo has been released guys :)
And it includes some ipv6 support!

[Gain root]
insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ipv6.ko
ip -6 addr show

It seems to only be a half-hearted support, as ifconfig doesn't show the
ipv6 addresses, and there's no such thing as ping6. The browser also
seems to not be ipv6 compatible; while my laptop loads
http://ipv6.google.com/ just fine, the browser in N800 says "server not
found".
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Frederic Crozat
2008-06-25 19:05:33 UTC
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Post by Jesper Cheetah
Post by Aniello Del Sorbo
Diablo has been released guys :)
And it includes some ipv6 support!
[Gain root]
insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ipv6.ko
ip -6 addr show
It seems to only be a half-hearted support, as ifconfig doesn't show the
ipv6 addresses, and there's no such thing as ping6. The browser also
seems to not be ipv6 compatible; while my laptop loads
http://ipv6.google.com/ just fine, the browser in N800 says "server not
found".
problem is not the browser but autoconfiguration for ipv6 is not working.
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Jesper Cheetah
2008-06-25 19:41:06 UTC
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Post by Frederic Crozat
problem is not the browser but autoconfiguration for ipv6 is not working.
Hmm, but I do get a proper ipv6 address, through router solicitations. I
don't get dns servers advertised that way (yet, on my todo list), but it
should still be able to do dns lookups over ipv4. That's how it works on
my laptop.
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Kevin T. Neely
2008-06-25 22:03:18 UTC
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Haven't heard about this: Does A2DP work with Diablo out-of-the-box?

thanks,
K
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Jonathan Greene
2008-06-25 23:51:14 UTC
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It did previously ...

On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Kevin T. Neely
Post by Kevin T. Neely
Haven't heard about this: Does A2DP work with Diablo out-of-the-box?
thanks,
K
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Kevin T. Neely
2008-06-26 01:09:22 UTC
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Chinook supports it? The last I'd read was that you needed to jump through some hoops to get it to work.

thanks,
K
Post by Jonathan Greene
It did previously ...
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Kevin T. Neely
Post by Kevin T. Neely
Haven't heard about this: Does A2DP work with Diablo out-of-the-box?
thanks,
K
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Jonathan Greene
2008-06-26 01:17:06 UTC
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I've definitely used my bluetooth headphones ... though I think it
might actually be dual-mono rather than stereo. Have not tried the
BH-903's yet in Diablo

On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Kevin T. Neely
Post by Kevin T. Neely
Chinook supports it? The last I'd read was that you needed to jump through some hoops to get it to work.
thanks,
K
Post by Jonathan Greene
It did previously ...
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Kevin T. Neely
Post by Kevin T. Neely
Haven't heard about this: Does A2DP work with Diablo out-of-the-box?
thanks,
K
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2008-06-26 05:03:40 UTC
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On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:03 AM, Kevin T. Neely
Post by Kevin T. Neely
Haven't heard about this: Does A2DP work with Diablo out-of-the-box?
No.
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Kevin T. Neely
2008-06-25 22:03:18 UTC
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Haven't heard about this: Does A2DP work with Diablo out-of-the-box?

thanks,
K
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Eero Tamminen
2008-06-26 07:16:52 UTC
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Hi,
Post by Jesper Cheetah
Post by Aniello Del Sorbo
Diablo has been released guys :)
And it includes some ipv6 support!
[Gain root]
insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ipv6.ko
ip -6 addr show
It seems to only be a half-hearted support, as ifconfig doesn't show the
ipv6 addresses, and there's no such thing as ping6.
Diablo ifconfig is provided by Busybox.

Just use (build) the real ones from Debian net-tools and iputils-ping
(source) packages. If you haven't yet tried Chinook or Diablo SDK,
now's a good time. :-)

Or you may prefer just using cross-compiler with SB2 (available from
Debian and freedesktop.org and announced now and then on maemo-devel)
for building instead of Scratchbox v1 in the Chinook/Diablo SDKs.
Post by Jesper Cheetah
The browser also
seems to not be ipv6 compatible; while my laptop loads
http://ipv6.google.com/ just fine, the browser in N800 says "server not
found".
- Eero
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